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My brother Joe returns to the podcast to have a conversation about fitness and nutrition. We give our perspectives on how to start eating better and also how to start good routines and habits with physical activity. We also talk about injuries and how to stay mentally tough and adaptable during rough times in life.
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yeah, actually when edgar was on the episode, we were talking that we only see the w's on social media. Yeah, we only see like people with six packs or like physical fitness or like maybe you see like a little reel or a video of them doing a few reps at a machine, right, but like to actually like grind on diet and exercise is it's pretty much like seven days a week. Like, granted what you were saying in the 80, 20 rule, it's like 80% of the time you can eat good.
Speaker 1:And then the other 20%, you could just say fuck it. You know, and I think that's the same with like working out too. I mean you can work out like five days a week and be off the other two. You know, I think most of the people that voted on the Instagram post I did when I asked about topics and episodes. They asked for diet and exercise and I feel like they were looking for not like us to lay out a fucking plan for them.
Speaker 2:Right, you know, we're not personal trainers or nutritionists or shit like that we're not certified, yeah, no, but we Just to like, kind of like share some knowledge, spread some tips of just what that journey has looked like for us, so to speak.
Speaker 1:Right, right, Okay, I mean I can't say that I'm perfect. You know, there's some weeks that I only really work out twice a week, right, whether I'm just, you know, feeling down or whatnot, I still deal with like mental health issues and shit like that. But then the following week I'll hit it five, six days a week. You know, as long as you, as long as you can. If you have an off week, that's fine, right, get back to it the next week. Yeah, uh, with the eating thing, what I would like to tell any of the listeners, like I think people really under value how important it is to not eat two hours before you go to bed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, because when you like slam food, whatever it is, and then you pass out, like your body is using the sleep in order to repair the brain, right, that's been working all day, not only the brain, but it's like if you, let's just say, you had a hard workout that day, hit the gym hard, maybe you walked on the treadmill to incline, you know you, you you did some good activity that day.
Speaker 2:Your body needs that sleep to recover, right. So it's like, I think, in today's world that we live in, it's like, man, you got TVs everywhere with screens on them, with food commercials up the wazoo. It's the worst shit ever, especially if you watch like cable TV. And it's like, okay, you know, it's 10, 11 PM, I'm winding down, man, but I'm a little bit hungry, like I could, I could, eat a little bit and then you, you know, dip into the pantry and get a snack and it's like, all of a sudden, like as you go to bed, your body's spending the time digesting the food while you're sleeping, versus, like, the repairs and the recovery it needs, right, like that brain function, like you said, the muscle recovery just all those like daily, like rep, like repairs that it needs to do during sleep is halted because, like it's digesting food that you just put slam down right for bed right.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I would say that's such a huge thing is try, try to at least like not eat like three hours before bed is what a lot of doctors recommend. Okay, that makes sense we were.
Speaker 1:Just we were joking the other day because eric's like you can't tell me that slamming a big bowl of pasta and then passing the fuck out doesn't feel great and I'm like yeah it does feel great yeah, but uh, just get that massive glucose spike and you're like, all right, now I'm sleeping yeah, but then you know you don't wake up to the best
Speaker 2:yeah, oh yeah, you're gonna feel a little drowsy and and not a hundred percent for sure but but yeah, no, I would say like when. When you said the listeners want to talk about, just like fitness, nutrition, right. It's like I think the biggest starting point for that conversation is like everybody's going to be at a different point in their life and a different journey and a different like they're gonna have different goals and aspirations, right? So it's like you might just be just starting off with your fitness journey or nutrition journey. You really want to make these changes. You might be somebody who's a little more experienced, who has built in routines and habits and stuff like that, right. But I think the biggest thing to understand is, wherever you are at in your journey, it's like you need to understand what your goals and what you're trying to achieve is Right, because if you don't have something to attach to it, it's really hard to consistently develop like good, strong, foundational habits and routines if you don't have like something that you're striving for, right. Maybe it's like I just want to have a six pack and look really good because it's going to help with my self image, like cool. If that's what you want, go for it right. Maybe.
Speaker 2:It's like you know what, when I first started working out, I loved the way that I felt mentally. My energy levels were great, all my relationships with everybody. I just had like this, like glow about me, right, that's what I want out of my journey. And it's like, cool, go get that right. So it's like I think that's for me one of the most important things that I've done to, like, you know, really change my life around. It's like, okay, I want to be like a really dope, good ass runner and I love the way it makes me feel like I've literally turned my whole life around from it. So it's like, okay, I'm going to strive to be the best runner that I could be and you know I'm going to, you know, put the work in each and every day to, like you know, get there. So, just starting off like that, you've got to have a goal, you have to have aspirations, something like that you can objectify. To like, like tangibly see in your mind to get to like, pull you there.
Speaker 1:Right. I think it's important to have that visualization and goal and stick to it, but also learn when you need to change it.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. You got to be able to pivot and you know, I think, that nothing should be like totally concrete and set in stone, like like we look at, like everything moves so fast today and you know, all these big companies, they don't just like plan years out and then, like we have to stick to this product that we're releasing, like this is this is what we're doing Right, and it's like, oh, we found out some new information. This is what the users want. Some new information, this is what the users want. Like let's change course, just like your dreams and aspirations. Like you've got to be able to like assess at different points along the way and you've got to be able to pivot and change course, like depending on what the circumstances are, or just like the information that's, you know, newly presented to you and whatever, that is Right.
Speaker 1:I think it's important to note that for a long time, my fitness visualization was totally and only reliant on I want to be a better basketball player, right yeah.
Speaker 1:But I didn't take that visualization seriously because in the last three years, whenever I would get hurt, I would completely stop everything, right, I would stop going to the gym. I'm like I can't do shit, right, and I don't work out for two months, right yeah. I just learned a month ago, when I got hurt though, that okay, I just can't do cardio or I can't run and I can't do calf raises. I can literally do any other workout, right, honestly, yeah. Um, like, obviously the first few days, like, I can't do the leg press, you know, just in case I bend down too far, I could still do chest, I could still do arms, I could still ride a stationary bike and I stayed in relatively good shape. A month ago when I hurt my ankle and, you know, I was back at it again and then I, you know, hurt myself four days ago. No-transcript, consistent with working out and being physically active affects every other aspect of my life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was. I mean, I totally resonate and feel that I was listening to a podcast the other day and this this doctor was on and she asked the host of of the podcast. She's like so what do you think is um more important? Or what do you think like? Would you try and like um focus on first? Would you focus on like your mental, like health and your mind, or would you focus on like the physical body and like physical, like strength and this, that and other right, and he's like 100 like the physical aspect.
Speaker 2:You know like we have a massive mental health problem in this country even. You know worldwide right, especially you know um post. You know covid pandemic and it's really hard to fix mental problems and like mental illness by just like sitting stationary and just talking about it and letting your mind wander. And just like you know like therapy is great and all and there's definitely uses for it, but it's like the mind body connection is so powerful and if you cannot physically like build yourself up, the mental side of it is just going to eat away at you. It's so hard to heal the mind when the body is just stationary and not moving.
Speaker 2:You know I'm a huge proponent to like exercise, movement.
Speaker 2:Just get yourself moving every day a little bit right, and I'm telling you like it'll fuel the mind, like it's no one's business.
Speaker 2:You'll feel this mental clarity and this just like sharpness come about you when you get into a consistent habit of physically building up your body and just a little bit of movement every day. So I thought that was a really cool thing on the podcast and I forgot exactly how it went the back and forth, but you know, eventually they kind of came to an understanding. Like you know what I think you're right, I would definitely start with the physical side of things. Like you know what I think you're right, I would definitely start with the physical side of things, building that up in the mental. What you find in the mental journey then is wow, I've actually built up like habits and I've actually created discipline in my life through building up my physical body and all of a sudden, those mental things that I was struggling with seemed like second fiddle to like this newfound power that I have where I have created like consistency and discipline in my life, right?
Speaker 1:So I mean it's not like completely undermining, like therapy or like right, absolutely, yeah, cause there is use for that and it's definitely very much needed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think, like you said, like sitting and talking about things is is one thing, but when you look at the state of the country in general, like a lot of people struggle with diet and exercise and I'm not, I don't even like using the word diet anymore it's like people, we have an issue with the food and substances we consume and how often we're getting active, right. So we've talked about how this journey has affected us and what it means to us, and I know that there are people out there who are like okay, well, where do I start? Right, and I think, like you said, the first thing to do is to visualize like what do you want out of this? Right? Are you doing this because you want to feel better? Yeah, are you doing this because you want to look better? Are you? Are you tired of not having any energy? Are you?
Speaker 2:tired of motivation, lack of just like right discipline in your life. You just feel like you're going through the motions or you just feel like almost like this fog over your head where it's like man.
Speaker 2:Every day just seems like a struggle for me to get through and I don't have, I'm low energy, I have know all these like underlying issues that just can't seem to be resolved you know, and it's like okay, like that's, that's what you're striving to fix through exercise and and um, in the, the lifestyle that you're going to like undertake Right, and a lot of it starts with the food that that you're putting into your body. I know, know, you know, for me it was like I used to eat a shitload of fast food, Like I'm talking probably like four days a week, you know. And growing up, like you know, it was like we would eat like it was no one's business. I remember, like it just didn't feel right to me. You know, I'm like this 13 year old boy, I'm like fuck this, just like something's off with this stuff. Man, like my body should not be taking this in.
Speaker 2:And I remember in like seventh grade, I'm like all right, I'm gonna like go like a full year without fast food. Everyone thought I was fucking crazy, right, you know. And I'm just like it just doesn't. It's not sitting right with me, you know. And just from that young age, like wow, I can't believe, like the clear mind, the clarity I have just from cutting that shit out, you know. And um, soda too.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And soda, cut soda out and um fast food, you know, like the age of like 13 or something like that.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, it was amazing, just like the transformation I felt, you know. So, um, when it comes to like actual, like the nutrition and the fuel that we feed our bodies with, it's like there's just so much research being poured into it nowadays because of like all this processed garbage that you know a lot of our society's eating and just like this caked up stuff where it's all disguised as, yeah, just, you know, put this in your body Like marketing is just like flooding. You know the food industry with all these like terrible, terrible things for the human body. And I think one of the biggest things that is really starting to come to light is just the negative connotation that seed oils are starting to get right and it's like there's so many direct links and correlations to, like heart disease and obesity, you know, based on these seed oils. You know all the canola oils, the vegetable oils, like all this stuff, right, and you see it in just like a lot of stuff on the shelves.
Speaker 2:Right, I was looking at this Kraft Mayo like by Kraft. The company has like a jar of mayonnaise on the shelf. Right, I was looking at this, um, craft mayo like by craft. The company is like a jar of mayo mayonnaise on the shelf the other day and it's uh, made with like olive oil right on the front. It's like, oh, perfect. You look at the back and it's got all these seed oils on it. Like, uh, first three ingredients are like soybean oil, canola oil, vegetable oil. It's like like so you could just slap this olive oil logo on it. But then it's made with all this shit.
Speaker 1:All the other oil.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty crazy when, when you actually look at like all of like the nasty stuff out there and like what's like actually fueling most of our bodies in modern society and it's like man, we're just like running on complete empty Right and like outside and we can get back to like the physical aspect of things and like you know the exercise, but fuel that we're fueling our bodies with is just like one of the most just like disgusting things in all of human history. I think we're at a point where it's just like this is like grotesque what's what's actually out there and and what most people are actually eating.
Speaker 1:You know what's odd? I don't think I've mentioned this on this podcast, people have mentioned it on their podcast, but if you look back throughout time, you see that there's always a difference between, like, the upper ruling class, or those with money, and then those without money and resources. Right, and for all of time, it was always that the larger humans were the richer ones. Right, cause they had more food, they had more resources Right, and then the ones who were poor or had less money and resources and they were skinnier right, they just didn't have a lot of food or money. Right, it's kind of flipped now. Right, because now the wealthy have the money and the resources and the time in order to eat healthier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they have more information about the food that's out there, right, right. And those with less are purchasing on just convenience sake. It's fast, it's here, it tastes good, it's cheap. It's cheap, right, exactly so I think that's kind of like piggybacking on your whole, like it's one of the most disgusting things in human history is the food nowadays, and I agree with that, you know, and I you know I I'm not perfect.
Speaker 1:Like I said you know, I'll still go and eat like Mexican food or like I like a beef sandwich. You know you eat pizza sometimes, right, but that that whole 80, 20 rule is really important, like most of the time, if you're feeling snacky and you want like something sweet, just eat fruit, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Like people want to eat like chips, cookies and cake, and it's like all this like ultra processed garbage, where it's like, um, in the moment, moment, it's gonna like have this insane dopamine rush, like holy shit, this is the best food I've ever had. Like the taste is, like you know, godlike. And then it's like but what did it actually do to like nourish my body? Like absolutely nothing, right. Right. Like literally like you're gonna feel worse than you did before in about like an hour and a half, two hours. So it's like in in.
Speaker 2:It's weird because it's like a balance where it's like, okay, so like, how strict do I want to be? Um, because then some people look at it and they're like, oh my gosh, like I'm scared to actually like venture into, like changing the lifestyle and the food that I intake, because I can't do zero to a hundred, I can't just like cut all this stuff out that gives me joy and pleasure, because sugar is one of the most addictive chemicals on the earth, right? So it's like I'm just not going to make any changes because I can't do that and I don't want to give that stuff up. And it's like I think that there's got to be a balance that's created and it's like there has to be a starting point, right? Like you know I'm somebody who personally likes to do zero to 100 things. Like, if you give, provide me like new information or you provide me a different way of doing things, and that I'm currently doing it and it makes sense to me, then I'm just going to change course and absolutely go all in to do that. I don't need to like this buffer point or I don't need to like kind of be half in, half out on something. It's like, yeah, zero to a hundred for me, but a lot of people aren't like that.
Speaker 2:So it's like, what I would suggest is just like make small changes. You know like okay, how can I like make one small change today to like what I'm eating and incorporate that? You know moving forward too. So it's like okay. So instead of like having maybe a peanut butter and jelly sandwich which has a lot of, you know, processed sugars, refined carbs in it from the bread and all that, it's like maybe I could have like some grilled chicken or something like that. Right, for me personally, it's always beef, all beef, like I think it's just pound for pound, the best. Me personally, it's always beef, all beef, like I think it's just pound for pound, the best, but it's like some type of good protein source, whether it's, you know, chicken, beef, some type of fish. Maybe you could even do um and make that change, right? Um, so it's like that's.
Speaker 2:That's what I would say is like, okay, maybe you're not gonna like do it all and go all in and completely like revolutionize and change you know, your lifestyle, the food you eat, but even if it's like one small change and add that and then make another small change and then start to like really do your own research and do your due diligence and like what's the most beneficial thing for me, right? A lot of people don't get enough protein in their diet on a daily basis. Protein is such an important macro that, like you know, you should be getting at least your body weight in grams per day of protein. And I would say I don't know what the like stats are, but man, I would say like probably more than like 60, 70% of Americans don't get that. It's like if you weigh 200 pounds, like 200 grams of protein is pretty tough to get.
Speaker 2:If you're eating a lot of just processed food. If you're eating fast food, like once a day, and you're eating just like a bunch of like you know refined carbs, like there's no way you're getting anywhere close to 200 grams of protein, right.
Speaker 1:And that's when your muscles don't have the required nutrients in order to build themselves. So I think I think finding required nutrients in order to build themselves. Yeah, so I think I think finding, like you said, small changes to stick to, like maybe just start eating a little more fruit each week and changing out some of the the sweet snacks that you fill your cupboard yeah, stuff with more just, whole, natural foods, right.
Speaker 2:That's like the biggest change is like if you could just cut out a lot like of processed food. And it's like, okay, is this like food found in its natural state, how it is? No, it's not okay, probably shouldn't be eating it then, right. And it's like once you start like taking stock of that, then it's like, oh, wow, it's actually really easy to like. Really make it a quick change. All of a sudden I'm eating a lot of fruits and I'm not a big vegetable person, but vegetables, right, salad like, lettuce stuff, like that Like not my cup of tea, but hey, if that's what you like, go for it, right. Maybe just don't do any dressing on it, like put some lemon juice, um, you know. So it's like, okay, less processed food, more whole natural food. Make that switch and like instant change in your life, your whole mindset, and just like the way your body feels on a day to day basis.
Speaker 1:Right. So prioritizing more whole foods, less processed foods, that's one thing. Second thing I want to say and this is crazy, because mom looks at me like I'm fucking crazy when I say that so does dad and uncle, danny, and stuff and it's like you could just like fast a little bit, like when you start telling people you don't always have to snack, like you were saying earlier in the episode, like there's literally commercials about food everywhere. Right, they're trying to make us feel hungry all the time. Yeah, if, if, you're not gonna make a whole bunch of zero to 100 changes like we do, because I'm an addict. You had a problem with drinking the zero to 100.
Speaker 1:Lifestyle definitely lives more in addicts than normal people, right? Right? If you're going to make one change, I think it would just be to look at yourself from the third person. When you're feeling hungry, try and curb your appetite. Try and almost tell yourself that you're not hungry. Try and curb your appetite. Try and almost tell yourself that you're not always hungry all the time. Right, because, people, we wake up and we're like in survival mode as humans. Like we got to eat. Yeah, you know, but the problem is like they're literally telling us to eat all the fucking time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like even two hours after, like a really big meal you see something like yeah, I could go for some of that, I'll snack on that a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll snack a little bit on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say the biggest thing is like okay, just understanding what it actually is that's making you hungry, right, it's these ads, it's the TV, it's just like boredom a lot of the time, right, and it's like, okay, all it is is like a chemical response in your body to like tell your mind it's time to eat.
Speaker 2:So it's like and I've done a lot of like fasting over the past, probably what three years now and I've kind of like went away from it just because I don't really need to fast too much anymore, especially with like running a lot. I just like need a good amount of food and nutrition in me. But when I did do a lot of fasting it was like okay, um, typically those urges and those sensations will last anywhere from like 10 to 20 minutes, maybe even less, sometimes maybe like five minutes, right, and it's like when you can actually sit down and feel comfortable with yourself and like really like work through the emotion, work through that chemical response that's happening in your body that's making you hungry, and understand that you're really not actually that hungry. It's just a natural response that the body's making because there's some type of stimulation that's eliciting it, whether it's like some type of marketing or ad, right.
Speaker 2:So once you can actually internalize that and like come to an understanding of, okay, I'm actually not hungry, like this is insane, I just ate fucking two hours ago, um, then uh, you can work through that and it becomes a lot easier to fight those urges and and actually not eat. So you know, just understanding it for what it is right it does.
Speaker 1:It does take some training, though, too absolutely, because I mean had to do the same thing. We're getting off of nicotine. It's like every five, it's like five minutes. I'd have an urge to smoke, right, the urge would last like five minutes and I'm like I should hop in my car, go to the gas station and get a cigar right some shit you know and you get through the five minutes and you're like, yeah, I think I'm all right now I think I'm good in the moment, though, when I was really struggling with that, it was just like you're always telling yourself you'll change after yeah, right, and that's the toughest thing.
Speaker 2:It's like well, okay, let me just do it this time and then I'll figure it out and, like you know, we and we'll probably stop next time.
Speaker 1:And you create this loop in your head, right, and it's fucking vicious, I think. So, aside from the food part, finding small things to do for physical activity as well, yeah, absolutely Coupling that with it is just vitally important.
Speaker 2:I was telling Sarah about this last night. I don't know the exact number so I'm not going to quote it, but there was a study. I forgot if I was listening or I was actually reading it. It was something, though, but it was like dementia is a huge problem in today's society. It's kind of being coined as type three diabetes, right, because there's a lot of like understanding starting to to come to light of like diet and exercise as a is like a key contributor into dementia and Alzheimer's right? So, especially when you just look at like we were just talking about, with all the you know shit food out there nowadays so, um, this study showed that if you can walk for 45 minutes a day for three days a week, it'll decrease your chance of developing dementia by, um, some crazy percentage. I think it was like almost over 50 or something like that, right? And um, when I was telling sarah this, I'm like man, like, isn't that crazy that like just something as simple as that. Going for a walk for 45 minutes in a day, three days a week, like just three days a week Is that that's crazy to me, right? And then I'm thinking I'm like, so why is like dementia running so rampant here in the us? Like, oh, because people just don't exercise like at all. Yeah, like, like.
Speaker 2:Imagine, like if you did moderate exercise in your teenage years, in your early 20s or something like that, and then you get a job because you went to college and you're kind of like set up, it's the whole like american dream type thing.
Speaker 2:You have have a family, you have kids, you know, you start to work up the corporate ladder, whatever that is. Grandkids come into the picture then, and all of a sudden you're nearing the age of retirement and you look back and you're like I haven't exercised in 30 plus years, I haven't done any physical activity in over 30 years, and it's like man, I feel like that's just such a common thing in today's society because it's not really talked about much. The importance of exercise, the importance of of like what it is to like physically move your body, like we're creatures of movement, you know like we need to move and uh, and yeah, I just think that like just starting at a place like that, like we'll really start to repair a lot of the damage done to our society over the past, you know, four or five, six decades, whatever it's been.
Speaker 1:Right, you know, the amount of sugar people eat and not exercising is huge, I think.
Speaker 2:It's just like the lack of like really like speaking to it right. Like there's like this hustle culture now and there's this corporate grind and there's just like this stigma of like you have to like, yeah, you need money to do all these things. You need like this, this and this, and it's like don't worry about your own health and your own like personal ambitions. Right, don't worry about your own health and your own like like personal.
Speaker 1:Right now, worry about your health later.
Speaker 2:And it's like I think that's just so ass backwards. It's just like holy shit, like, how are you ever supposed to like actually be worth something to your own self if you can't like truly like discover what it is to like, develop a consistent like habit in and in in your lifestyle and the nutrition that you, you choose to partake in?
Speaker 1:it's just respecting and loving yourself, though you know I don't think that money and things and status will ever do that.
Speaker 2:No, you know, people think that right because it's glamorized through mass media and shit like that, especially if you follow like anything in the entertainment industry, right, you see that, and you follow like anything in the entertainment industry, right, you see that, and you're like, oh, I want that. Right Cause the human mind like see something, and it has curb appeal, and it's like that, like willful desire starts to like churn where it's like, oh yeah, that, that would be nice, like I want that, and maybe you can't settle for something like that, but and maybe you can't settle for something like that, but you settle for something lower than that. And then, all of a sudden, like your whole, like persona and demeanor, and everything you're attributing your life to is just like this, like, almost like false satisfaction of like, like inflated gratification, just like, like it doesn't have any weight or sustenance to it.
Speaker 1:No, well, we were talking about this on the other episode. Like sometimes, we live in imaginary daydream land, like I do, and I'm like, oh, that's a good idea. Or it's like me in the future that acted on this idea Right, and I envision myself and I feel you can feel your thoughts. You can feel that daydream. You're like oh, I already did it in my head 10 months from now and I'm like all right, that's enough work for today. You know, no one really wants to like put in the work to get there.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I know, even like people in our generation and the gen you know, people here know there's a problem, right, and we're seeking a solution for the most part. There are people who don't, right, and that's fine, you know. But for the people who come here to feel free, they're usually coming to learn something, be inspired or laugh, right. So what I would like to say is we're very athletic people, right. We've also been blessed with a good metabolism, right. But I'll tell you that between the fall of 2022 and the fall of 2023, almost like a 13, 14 month span I wasn't doing too hot and there were large spans of time, sometimes like four or five months, where I wasn't working out, I wasn't eating, right, I wasn't doing anything physically active, the only walks I was going on I was going on walks, but that was only to smoke. Yeah, right. So that's unsaving grace.
Speaker 1:I guess you know but I'm eating like shit, I'm scrolling my phone, I'm doing a whole bunch of stupid ass shit and I'm depressed and I'm down, I'm not going to the gym, right. And then in september, after our, our kitten passed away, I didn't feel like going to the gym, right. I didn't feel like looking at people, I was ashamed of myself, I didn't have any self-esteem, right. So I told myself I'm like, if we're not going to hoop and we're not going to lift weights, we are going to do pushups here. We're going to do pushups and sit-ups, right, something. I don't even care if it's only a hundred a day, right. And I just got in the habit of getting my body moving again, which I know. At the start of your journey, you gave up, like drinking and smoking for that, that bet to run the mile, and you started training that month leading up to the mile and you're like, holy shit, I'm super out of shape, right. But you, you got in the habit of just going out there and sweating.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, you know, just pushing through it Like it's, it's tough, it hurts, it's not fun in the moment, right, but it's also like extremely rewarding, right, like, for me, I love just pushing myself to the absolute limit of like my physical limits and stuff like that, right, I always loved that growing up, so kind of venturing back into that. It's like, yes, like this is what I'm looking for, right, like this is what I want. And um, you know, to kind of piggyback off what you were just saying, it's like, um, it's really hard when shit starts going South in your life, to like continue to, um, you know, exemplify the life you were, you were leading before, right, um, whether that's like getting to into the gym on a consistent basis, um, you know, eating the the right foods all the time. Like, when, like shit starts going south, it's really hard to like continue to, like still stay the course. And I think you still have to have that grace with yourself and understand that like it's okay, like it's all right, but it's like, instead of just like giving yourself a cop out and just being like whatever, I'm just like depressed. I don't feel like doing this shit. Like you know, this, this and this is going on. Like you know, I just had like my kitten die. Like I feel like ass.
Speaker 2:It's like let's just sit here and ponder and think about it and really try and understand it and learn from it, right, like I think that like the biggest thing you can do, whether you're either injured, you're hurt or you're just depressed or you don't feel right, it's like, instead of like wallowing in your own self-pity, it's like like this is a learning process to understand like the inner mechanics of like my own mind and body and like how I deal and rationalize and internalize it and then, moving forward, I can utilize that to to to like, um, get back on the horse a lot quicker, right? So it's like maybe it would take me like two weeks to get back to my routine of getting to the gym when, like shit started going South in my life and through that two weeks, I really was taking stock and starting to understand and learn what that process looked like for myself and like, oh okay, like man, I just like can't get over the hump because, like that depressed feeling I have, like it just makes me not want to like work out or do any of like the stuff that really actually makes me feel better. It can actually pull you out of that depression, right? Um, so it's like, next time it happens, maybe it's not two weeks, maybe like now that you've recognized it and you actually were able to like reflect on it, like it's not two weeks now, it's only one week and you got to reflect on it over that one week, that depressed state you were in. You're starting to reflect and, like man, I'm conscious of being depressed, in a bad state, and I'm conscious of not being able to eat healthy and work out consistently able to eat healthy and work out consistently. Um, and all of a sudden it's like, okay, next time something happens in your life and you maybe you're in a more depressed or like not feeling like working out state, you recognize it sooner.
Speaker 2:And it's like man, now, instead of a week of it, it was only one day, right, and it's like I think that's the biggest thing is like learning how you you work and respond to that and like giving yourself the grace necessary to like not beat yourself up over it.
Speaker 2:But it's like man, you have to use those experiences and like those mishaps to like truly learn and improve and understand how you can you shorten the gap to get back to that consistent discipline that you set up, because at the end of the day, it's like shit's going to go wrong in everybody's life and you're going to have points of depression and points of sadness or not feeling like doing things, but it's like you're always going to like fall back to your baseline level of habits, right? You're always going to fall back to like what are those? Like innate baseline habits that are super ingrained in you and a lot of the time it's like habits that are anti-patterns or negative habits, right, because, like those stick a lot harder than you know the really positive, like influential ones, in our life.
Speaker 1:So it's like being able to like recognize that and and change that, too is is is really important, yeah, being aware of that right, being, just like you know, self-aware of it is it's it's something you have to train yourself to do too, and it's something that I've gotten better at in the last year and a half too, because, you know, during the first few years of my sobriety I didn't have like a bunch of terrible things go wrong.
Speaker 1:And then in the last year and a half my recovery was tested. I'm still sober to this day, and that's one thing I will always be grateful of. But my recovery was tested in terms of how I viewed physical wellness and stuff. And now, as things come up in my life that are shitty, I give myself a grace period to be human, feel emotion, not beat myself up about it. So Wednesday I re myself up about it Like. So Thursday or Wednesday I re-rolled my ankle Right and Lisa actually took my car to class that night. I don't know what it is, but every time Lisa takes my car and drops me at the gym to hoop, I roll my fucking shit.
Speaker 2:You know, it's like your body knows. Oh, we don't have a car to get home. Not going to wait for our ride. You're going to sit here with your rolled ass ankle no actually I was so depressed about it.
Speaker 1:I called a Lyft, nice. I got a Lyft home and I told her. I got her on the phone, I'm icing my leg and I'm like, yeah, when you're getting home, I'm pretty down right now and I'm going to go to Jewel and get a pint of Ben and Jerry's and I'm going to watch Avatar, the last airbender, yeah, and that's what I did, you know, right, and uh, I was really sad about it and being able to adapt and change up. I'm like, all right, we just rolled it a month ago and we stayed really consistent with our working out. Right, right, I got to change, I got to adapt. Right, I'm not, this shit happens. What was it?
Speaker 1:Thursday I did a chest day. I did 300 push-ups and then 30 minutes of other chest exercises with dumbbells that I have at my apartment. Then yesterday I did a leg day and sauna day. Today I'm going to be doing abs. The old me would have not have done anything these three days. The old me would have let this drag on for a week or three weeks or a month, right, right, and just hold up and been all sad and shit. You know, yeah, so being able to take a step back that perspective. Like hey, shit happens, change your routine. You know, you had your ice cream.
Speaker 2:All right, you know, you got your your guilty pleasure, and exactly right, you know let's get back to it.
Speaker 1:You know, I had a really healthy breakfast eggs today with fruit.
Speaker 2:You know, um, it's being able to, like you said, shorten that gap in between the shitty periods and to get back on your routine, yeah, and the only way you can do that is just consciously taking stock and reflecting and having that self-awareness to to pull yourself out of it and understand what some of those, those gaps are. Um, but one thing I did want to also bring up too that you had mentioned with the sauna, right, as if you're somebody especially um keen into working out and trying to build some muscle, like highly recommend getting some sauna sessions in um I think, in general though too, like it's super good for your heart health.
Speaker 2:Yeah also, I mean it's like I was saying more, like you know, for the muscle, like lifting and stuff, because, um, you know, there's so much research out there that shows like three, three days plus a week in the sauna, the uh, human growth hormone increases in the body like tremendously right, so huge for muscle growth. But um, also the heat shock, proteins and everything like it's just amazing for everybody. Like I would recommend everybody to to get in the sauna multiple times a week. It's just that. And cold plunges You're not gonna be able to shock your body like that that quickly, right. And it's like the benefits of the sauna. It's like, man, just look at the elevated heart rate that you're getting and that amount of sweat, the amount of working out you have to do to increase that that. So it's like the stress that it puts on the body. Um, just like next to nothing. It's so hard to to get that anywhere else. So I would, you know, highly recommend the sauna sessions and the cold plunges.
Speaker 1:Start incorporating those into the routine I just started doing the sauna, like this year, yeah, and, and I had made an excuse, you know about it. So I think, like everybody here on this planet, we make excuses for why we don't do things that are good for us.
Speaker 2:You know, Start to rationalize.
Speaker 1:Well, like you know, I do understand the importance of this, but not right now not now, not today, maybe later, and I was rationalizing it for a long time because the one LA fitness I go to doesn't have the sauna. The one that does have the sauna is a 20 minute drive. You know, and I started, you know, making that sacrifice. I'm like I got to go there at least once or twice a week. I got to hit the sauna and I've been doing that for the year of 2024 now and I just I feel fucking great, aside from like the consistent workout, to like being in the sauna for at least 20 minutes, and that one's hot as fuck too, that one gets hot, but it feels good. Um, so I think, to recap I don't think we're going to be done with the episode, but just to recap some things for the listeners out there find a few small things to change about your eating habits and your workout habits.
Speaker 2:Cut out the processed food for sure. Yes, as much as possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the processed food, like we were saying earlier, the 80-20 rule Right, try and eat healthy 80% of the time, yeah, and you can go off the rails the other 20.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, fuck it, right. But just make sure you hit that 80 and get in the process of knowing what you're putting into your body. Yeah, more whole what you're putting into your body more whole foods, less processed foods. And get active a few times a week, right, honestly, if you're really out of shape and you don't know where to start, just start with going on a few fucking walks a week. Yeah, just start with a walk and then, honestly, after that, just try doing body weight exercises.
Speaker 2:Body weight exercises, huge squats, pushups, pull ups, stuff like that, right, even lunges, getting some lunges, some split legs, squat lunging, and try planks too, planks, even some side planks. Um, you can even get like a little medicine ball for yourself and do a lot of ab workout stuff with medicine balls. Um, even kettle bells, right, like there's so much like stuff that you could do even at your house, like order, these small little weight things and, like you know, even a few dumbbells, stuff like that, Right. And all of a sudden it's like, oh, I have like the necessary equipment now to like really do my body justice, maybe even like a Pilates type workout would be right for you, right, and there's so many of that stuff on YouTube you could just look up, right, which is really cool. So I think that's important. And then just to kind of hammer home and talk about like the whole foods, right, like getting good, natural whole foods shout out to whole foods too. It's really expensive, so is like I would say, like for me, I kind of walk through like the majority of my diet really quick. It's like okay. So I like to break things down by the macro.
Speaker 2:So we'll start with protein, right, protein mainly um beef right in the form of ground beef, like to do like 80 20, because there's some really good saturated fat in there. And no, like saturated fat and the fat from beef, it's not bad for you, it's a lie, it's a scam, it's amazing, right. So do the research like it does not call it cause heart disease, like maybe the seed oils that it's cooked in could cause it. But, um, across the board, a lot of the medical communities starting to to really understand, like, yeah, it's not the, not the red meat that's causing this heart disease. So, um, that's main protein. Also, maybe do some like really clean turkey too, uh, which is pretty quick, but yeah, mainly beef. So ground beef steaks.
Speaker 2:And then I will also incorporate a lot of organs. Highly recommend organs. You can get them online too. Like beef liver. Heart is really good. Heart tastes just like steak too, so don't be too scared of heart. It also has a really important enzyme, the coq12, so highly recommend heart.
Speaker 2:Um kidney, I do a lot of bone marrow too. Bone marrow is amazing, super fatty and it just like tastes like straight butter. It's. It's great. So, um, and then uh, some good like collagen as well, which I'll kind of heat up on the stove and drink it hot, almost like a cup of coffee type thing, right.
Speaker 2:So, um, those are like a lot of the protein source there, and then also some good pasture raised eggs. If you're going to get eggs, I would definitely highly recommend the pasture raised because, uh, pasture raised is like they have to be on a certain I forgot how many acres of land it is but they pretty much have free reign to roam, which is nice you don it is, but they pretty much have free reign to roam, which is nice you don't want like cage free, because cage free means they only have like this small little enclosed area. It's kind of to be honest. But, yeah, definitely look for organic pasteurized eggs if you're gonna go eggs. So I'll usually do three to four eggs a day on top of that, um, and then for the carbs, we'll switch into going more.
Speaker 2:Um, start with like some some dairy. So I like to do a lot of kefir, like once a day I'll have a glass of kefir which um has some good protein, fat and carbs in it, right, and I'll mix that in with some honey, um, preferably glyphosate free honey. Glyphosate's found in so much of the honey nowadays that trying to find a company with glyphosate free is super important, just with all the negative aspects that um, his his start to come to light with uh with glyphosate, so glyphosate free honey. And uh, we'll go with um, some fruit, so bananas I'll usually like fresh squeeze, like two oranges a day. Now I've started to incorporate my juicer uh, cherries, mangoes and uh, a ton of salt.
Speaker 2:Make a little kefir smoothie with something like that. So, uh, that's a lot of the carbon take uh during like workouts and stuff. I like coconut water. It's just super clean, feels good, so, um, that's's that's kind of the carb intake, and then the fat pretty much comes from, like the eggs, the beef, and then I'll usually do like an avocado a day, um, so for, like me, that's kind of like my 80 percent right, like really trying to like slowly transition to getting fully 100%, like sticking to it, right.
Speaker 2:But I mean you were at 100% for a good while, yeah, then slipped up a little Right, started to like incorporate some other stuff and mess around with some things. But yeah, I would say, like, that's kind of like my like overall, you know perfect world in terms of like what's going into my body and you can even incorporate some like rod, like dairy cheese type stuff too. I've actually started to venture into the cheese things as much as I like hate, hate cheese, so got some, got some raw cheese in the fridge right now that we're uh, we're testing out. So really good for the microbiome. Um, yeah, yeah. Bacteria, yeah, um.
Speaker 1:I can't say that mine diet on a weekly basis is as uh planned out as that. I do eat a lot of beef, like my meal preps are beef, and I eat rice, Um, a lot. I also eat a lot of fruit. Uh, salmon, Salmon's really big on my weekly diet. We only drink. Also, for people out there like we don't drink pop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cut the pop and shit out. God. The fucking soda's so bad, even like juice.
Speaker 1:If you're not like freshly juicing, it probably don't buy it, because it's probably just got a ton of like added sugar in it, right, I think sometimes, if I don't have the time or if I'm out of certain materials at my place, I will buy like a muscle milk after a workout. That's kind of the only thing that I drink outside of just water, coffee and tea. Yeah, so water, coffee and tea. We are pretty big on the carbonated water. You know, got it right here, yeah, whenever you need a little pop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just a little sparkling water always does the trick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nothing like super processed, like sugar and shit like that I do. I still fast a lot because I just don't eat in the morning. I still fast a lot because I just don't eat in the morning. I get all my calories in between like 12 and 8. 12 pm to 8 pm is when I do all my eating.
Speaker 2:I do like oatmeal a lot too. How do you like the liver?
Speaker 1:I heard you ventured into the organ meats. Let me tell you something because we'll probably make this a real. I'm gonna be honest this whole liver thing, fucking ass yeah, it doesn't taste too god, it tastes terrible.
Speaker 2:I was gonna bring some today. Oh my god, slip my mind the, the whole.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing the purpose over pleasure. I get it. I have done done it like three or four times at this point. It just so happens I get hurt so I'm not even able to like work out as hard as I want to and repair myself.
Speaker 1:I can tell that between doing the liver, the sauna, changing my sleeping habits and all this stuff like these are all great things to do, but the liver tastes terrible. Don't listen to any fucking influencer anywhere when the fucking talk it up like it's fucking great. Tastes like shit. Yeah, you know, I think aiden makes smoothies. He makes like these. Yeah, you can make a good organ smoothie yeah I think the best thing to do, like you said, like I chop, chop it up and then I just swallow it yeah, that's what I do.
Speaker 2:I usually will just kind of chase it with um, like some coconut water, um, and yeah, it just kind of goes right down the hatchet. But uh, you know, I think when you like do some research anyone out there on um beef liver and just like you'll be kind of amazed at, just pound for pound, how it's like wow, this is the most nutritious item in the world, right here, beef liver.
Speaker 1:Like you, just like can't, you can't beat it, just like it's, it's there's like a misconception though, like because eric said the same thing that tom said, like you're just eating the thing that filters all the shit out of right, the body, yeah, you know, but I don't think that the liver keeps that yeah, it's like you're literally like contradicting yourself, like the thing that filters all the.
Speaker 2:It's like so literally filters it right, like gets rid of yeah, that stuff, you know, yeah, you get rid of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, it's not like the liver just holds on to all the fucking nasty pathogens and yeah, I'm sure there might be some, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think like like it's.
Speaker 1:It neutralizes some of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly right, due to the enzymes in the back. Yeah, the liver holds right. So, yeah, I wouldn't put too much weight into it, just like. No.
Speaker 1:Yeah I don't really, and this is just kind of where I'm at. I don't like taking like advice from people who of where I'm at.
Speaker 2:I don't like taking like advice from people who aren't healthy, yeah, or like aren't like actually embodying and living the stuff that they're talking about. Right, you know, yeah, so totally feel that, feel you there, but, um, yeah, just outside of that of what you know, we kind of currently it's like that. That's just like more of a snapshot and um into it, but it's like just know that. That's like I don't think there's one like ideal diet out there, where it's like you know, like human bodies are just so dynamic and different and there's um like so much like growing up in the like the way the body actually changes, and like like the mental side of things too, how you actually like internalize and like think about the food that you're eating. So, um, like this is what I found, that like I feel the best and most, like you know, energized and fulfilled with the way you know I eat, um, but it might not be for you.
Speaker 2:So I would say, like try different things out, don't just, like you know, keep doing what you're doing, but like experiment with things and like how do I actually feel after eating this? What is my mental state like? How do I actually like interact with people when I'm, you know, eating these types of foods right, eating these types of foods right. So I think that's that's one of um. The most important things that I've really started to like understand over the past few years is this is like a big like, experiment of like okay, this is how I feel eating this. This is how I feel eating this right and like man. Maybe I shouldn't be eating this like processed, like cake or whatever, because I feel way better when I'm eating this beef right.
Speaker 1:I think it's trial and error, but also for people that don't have the knowledge and that don't know where to look like properly, do your own research and stuff like that. I do think that possibly hiring like a nutritionist or I would say this, if you have every I believe that people have like friends in their life and their lives that are in shape and are eating well. If you don't have a friend in your life who is doing well physically, like in terms of their food and workout, I think you should go find some you know being around the people that will influence you as good you
Speaker 1:know like for for Brandon. Brandon has worked really well with counting his macros. He holds himself accountable to that. That works for him, right. Right, he probably has specific foods that he eats every week and meal preps and stuff like that. But what keeps him accountable is counting everything out. That doesn't really vibe with me. You know, whatever. If counting everything out works for you, I say, do it. If zero to 100 cutting out all pleasure eating works for you, do it. You know it's trial and error, but don't don't give up. You know, and, like we were saying earlier, like you started running to jump start your habit of changing your entire life, right, you found one, one exercise that you based the rest of everything you did around. Right, and when I got sober, that was basketball for me. Right, I just happened to get hurt more playing basketball than you get hurt doing running, right.
Speaker 2:So, but finding one exercise or activity that you just love doing and then just doing that, yeah, Right, yeah, absolutely yeah, absolutely Like maybe it's like playing volleyball or, you know, just doing something outside in nature with friends, right, like whatever that is. That like really like toggles your interest, like you just go for it and do it and just like you'll you'll never look back. You know Like I think just going at things with like childlike curiosity is so important. Like man, like just like man. How do I like get so stuck in my ways as an adult where it's like man, I only like this, I only do this, like this, this, this. So it's like I love like learning new games or just like you know, trying new things out. Like man, it's like one of the most like energizing and cool things is like how do I acquire more knowledge or develop a new skill set in something you know?
Speaker 1:Well, we get beaten down as adults, yeah, and then we're just like I'm only going to do what's comfortable to me, right, what I know. I know I'm going to feel this way after doing this and I'm going to keep doing this. Right, because the unknown is a scary concept. Right, keep doing this. Right, because the unknown is a scary concept. Right, if you view it as a scary concept.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Otherwise you can view it as something exciting. Right, you know, and you know, venturing into the world of changing your life for the better is a scary fucking thing, Especially if you don't know what you're doing. Yeah, you know. So if there's anything that I'd like people to take away from this episode in particular, it would be really watch what you're eating, watch how much you're eating and really take a inventory of how active you were in the last seven days. You know, honestly ask yourself if you even sweat.
Speaker 1:Some people just don't like sweating anymore.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:I feel grimy. Yeah, it's like dude. We're humans.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a natural response like sweating anymore. Right, I feel grimy. Yeah, it's like dude, we're humans. Yeah, it's a natural response to the body, right? So it's like just try and exercise more wherever you are in your journey, like you're just starting, you're in the thickets of it, you're just like in a good groove. Just try and do a little bit more and see what that feels like, like it's, it's really powerful, just a little bit more.
Speaker 1:Push your limits, yeah, so I think we had a pretty, pretty good episode. Do you have anything else that you want to touch on? I actually wanted to ask you because in this last like year you've been hurt a few times, yeah, and then also you got COVID.
Speaker 2:Yeah, covid really did the number on me actually. Yeah, second time I've had it. First time it was like it was nothing. I was pretty much asymptomatic, just took a week off for running and was pretty much back at it, you know. And was pretty much back at it, you know, and just in terms of like injuries and kind of like dealing with that, it's a really like we talked about tough thing, like get kind of a little bit depressed, down on yourself like this woe is me type feeling. But, like I said, I think, just like understanding what those pain points are for you and understanding how can I quickly like like bounce back from this and like learn from it. So I'm conscious of it. So when you know something like it happens again I'm able to to not be as depressed or down on myself, right, and instead I can use that injury time to to really focus and sharpen my own mental edge and my mental, you know, um, fortitude Plus. There's a lot of stuff you can do while injured. That you know, just stay in shape, like in running. You could do a stationary bike or something like that, right. So, um, but yeah, talking about the COVID, so, yeah, I get COVID like first week of December, so that's what. So, yeah, I get COVID like first week of December, so that's what.
Speaker 2:Four months ago, right, um and uh, it was brutal. Like I've never been that sick before. Man, it fucking knocked me out. Um, yeah, it was bad. I don't know how the heck it hit me so hard, but uh, yeah, I was pretty much out for like two weeks and uh, just this piercing headache all day long like just wouldn't go away, uh, some chest pain, right, like you know, the whole nine yards. And week three comes along and I'm finally like on the tail end of it and like starting to recover, feel a lot better. And uh, pretty much didn't start running again until week four and uh, just did like very low energy, just like kind of chest painy, right, not feeling great. That lingered pretty much into like late february, early march, right, yeah, and like just struggle to get through workouts, absolute struggle. Um and uh, it's like damn, like you know. And then I have everybody asking me how's running going, how you doing, like how's this? And like inside I'm just dying. I'm like it's fine, like fuck me like fuck me.
Speaker 2:you know, like I don't want to talk about this shit, like I'm freaking out right now, cause I might like be like I don't know what's wrong with me. You know, um and uh that that that couple months stretch was just such a struggle and brutal like realization that, like man, like maybe I just like this is this is what my body is now Like, it's permanently like this and I'm like, wait, like I can't think like that, that's fucked. Like our bodies are so like like fluid and can change Right, and it's like if you think about it as like concrete, then like you're, you're fucked, you know. So I'm like I can't think like that, like I can get back to where I was like pre COVID, like for sure. You know it's going to take a little bit of time, but I'm there. So, um, the last month has been great, like definitely feel like, um, we're like almost there.
Speaker 2:You know, still have slight like like some slight chest pain and um, you know, on the longer runs, but, uh, for the most part, it's like you know we're, we could, I could feel like these next couple weeks, um, I'm gonna be back, back and ready. So I'm looking to race um in either early or mid may is is the goal right now. So, yeah, really excited, like I said, just be back, I think, um, you know, for me it's like fuck, you hate talking about it, like, but at the same time it's like man, like like I'm just like happy, like I'm just so happy right now. You know, like I'm finally like I'm finally like able to talk about it because, like I could see the light at the end of the tunnel now I could see like, yeah, I'm like right there, I'm finally like back to where I was.
Speaker 1:so I could tell that you didn't want to talk about it during those months yeah, you know, yeah, you were like everybody's bugging me and it's just like man.
Speaker 2:I just want to deflect this shit, because it's like I'm freaking out, you know. So yeah, no, it feels great though that's because, in the moment, despair, yeah, fuck yeah once it grabs hold of you, it's hard to like, it's hard to get out of its grasp.
Speaker 1:Man like we were talking about the whole, like first part of the episode was very like positive and we're like gotta take a step back perspective and all that shit.
Speaker 2:But like right, when you start to be really transparent about it, like in those moments of like, despair and anguish and shit like that, like it's fucking tough it is it really is, and it tests every amount of your will and your just like own like discipline and understanding of, like what you truly want to accomplish in life and with what you're doing, and it's like man, if you want to truly aspire to do like great things. It's like you're gonna go through these, these hard times, and it's like how you respond to them and how you learn from them and are able to like utilize them to propel you forward and to refine your own skill and your own knowledge of being the best version of yourself that you can potentially and possibly be. It's like you've got to be able to work through that and it fucking sucks, you know. It sucks like literally like trying to like run and work out every day and not know like man, I don't think I'll ever be able to like break a four minute mile or I'll ever be able to get back to the fitness I was in even a year ago. Like it's just like not there. I'm not having it. I don't know what to fucking do, right?
Speaker 2:So, yeah, just being able to like kind of filter those negative thoughts out and those fearful thoughts and those like doubtful thoughts and really just turn them around and understand that like it's like the body and mind's natural response to when you aren't getting the results and the desired expectations of what you're, you know, set out to achieve. Like, sure, those fearful and doubtful thoughts are going to pop in. But I think you have to also like be able to think with the rational side of your brain and be like okay, like I'm just not there yet, that's okay. Like we just got to stick to it, we got to keep at it. Like you know, if we can't get back there after like a full year, then maybe we're fucked. But you know, you've got to have that grace with yourself, like I said, and understand that those thoughts are just the natural response to not, you know, kind of hitting those desired results and expectations. Yeah, I think, being like a little lenient with yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because in the moment, you want to, like take those fears and the thoughts and you want to make them almost concrete Right, you're like these are set in stone, these fears, right. And because you don't have the answers, right, right, you don't have the answers, so you're worrying about it. But in order to make you feel better about the moment, you almost solidify them. Yeah, because you want an answer Right, right, yeah. But I think, like, solidifying those fears or trying to, gives us a little like sense of comfort. Right, because we get our answer Right. Yeah, but that answer makes us depressed, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think, going through the motions and being a little more lenient with ourselves and, like you said, like you, you gotta, you gotta cut yourself some slack at that point and now you're back to almost back to where you want to be right in, the last month's been good, you're like man. One more month and I'm gonna be right back there again. Yeah, you know, the body's, the body is able to bounce back better than we give it credit for, you know. But the proper rest and exercise and food we put into it is is key, right.
Speaker 2:Absolutely A hundred percent.
Speaker 1:So, uh, I think, honestly I think that was pretty good episode.
Speaker 2:It's nice to be back on.
Speaker 1:It's been a little minute so yeah, I was going to say you haven't been in the new studio yet, right, yeah, it's nice, I like it. Yeah, it's pretty dope, sweet setup, man, oh man thanks, but we're gonna leave it at that, you know. So, telling people to watch what you eat, be conscious of that, get a few good, healthy physical routines in place and, uh yeah, chase your motherfucking dreams. So with that, y'all know the drill. Stay up, feel free.